{"id":1209,"date":"2010-10-21T00:13:08","date_gmt":"2010-10-20T22:13:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.nicuilie.eu\/?p=1209"},"modified":"2020-01-05T17:29:23","modified_gmt":"2020-01-05T17:29:23","slug":"citizen-sov","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wansait.com\/nicuilie\/citizen-sov\/","title":{"rendered":"Citizen SOV"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/nicuilie.regionis.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/kane_.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"1215\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/wansait.com\/nicuilie\/citizen-sov\/kane_\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/wansait.com\/nicuilie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/kane_.jpg\" data-orig-size=\"214,314\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"kane_\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/wansait.com\/nicuilie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/kane_-204x300.jpg\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/wansait.com\/nicuilie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/kane_.jpg\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-1215\" title=\"kane_\" src=\"http:\/\/nicuilie.regionis.info\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/kane_.jpg\" alt=\"kane_\" width=\"214\" height=\"314\" srcset=\"https:\/\/wansait.com\/nicuilie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/kane_.jpg 214w, https:\/\/wansait.com\/nicuilie\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/kane_-204x300.jpg 204w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 214px) 100vw, 214px\" \/><\/a>Robert Turcescu posteaza pe blogul sau <a href=\"http:\/\/www.turcescu.ro\/2010\/asa-o-fi-un-fel-de-raspuns-dupa-aparitia-stenogramelor-sov-jurnalisti\/\">un fel de comentariu personal <\/a>asupra stenogramelor Vantu. El citeaza un jurnalist de la New York Times care a tinut un toast in 1953 spunand:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #808080\"><em>There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if  you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #808080\"><em>I am  paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am  connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar  things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest  opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. [&#8230;] We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and  we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the  property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Adica, in traducerea lui SOV:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #808080\"><em>S. O. V\u00ceNTU: Nu sunte\u0163i liberi, nene. V\u0103 convine, lucra\u0163i, nu v\u0103 convine, pleca\u0163i, ce mare c\u0103cat!<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<address><span style=\"color: #808080\">sursa: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.adevarul.ro\/actualitate\/eveniment\/Vintu-Realitatea-Razboiul-Basescu-Ioana_0_355764800.html\" target=\"_blank\">adevarul.ro<\/a><\/span><\/address>\n<p>Intamplator, cu cateva zile inainte de aparitia stenogramelor purtam pe facebook o discutie contraditcorie cu Claude Karnoouh pe tema libertatilor si subordonarilor presei.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #808080\"><em><strong>Claude Karnoouh: <\/strong>[&#8230;] le probl\u00e8me n&#8217;est pas roumain , mais celui de la presse en  g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, car il n&#8217;existe pas de journalistes  libres (en son temps  Balzac avait parfaitement vu la &#8230;probl\u00e9matique  de la presse dite d&#8217;information). D\u00e8s lors que les journaux  appartiennent \u00e0 des patrons capitalistes (ou avant communistes), le  journaliste n&#8217;est qu&#8217;un laquais, il \u00e9crit pour les int\u00e9r\u00eats de son  patron&#8230; C&#8217;est le lot de la presse dite d&#8217;information,qui fait accroire  sa libert\u00e9 et son r\u00f4le comme expression d&#8217;une opinion publique alors  qu&#8217;elle n&#8217;est ici et l\u00e0 que la voix de son ma\u00eetre. C&#8217;est pourquoi j&#8217;ai  toujours pr\u00e9f\u00e9r\u00e9 la presse d&#8217;opinion, au moins le lecteur sait \u00e0 partir  de quelle position le journaliste construit son information et l&#8217;analyse  qu&#8217;il en donne.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Imi e greu sa-l pun pe Vantu sau pe orice alt mogul &#8222;primitiv&#8221; (&#8222;despot primitiv&#8221;, zice CTP) sa traduca din Karnoouh. Nu ca n-as gasi o traducere sugestiva in stenogramele lui, dar sunt unele lucruri care pur si simplu nu se fac. Bref, ciudat sau nu, in discutia respectiva eu luam partea patronatului spunand ca fara o complicitate din partea jurnalistilor, patronii de presa pur si simplu n-ar indrazni sa-si bata joc de organizatiile pe care le conduc.<\/p>\n<p>Imediat dupa aparitia noilor stenograme Vantu, Claude Karnooh a revenit:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #808080\"><em><strong>Claude Karnoouh: <\/strong>la na\u00efvet\u00e9 des gens de l&#8217;Est c&#8217;est qu&#8217;ils  semblent totalement ignorer ce qui se passe dans les m\u00e9dias occidentaux  DEPUIS l&#8217;abolition de la censure, concentration fianci\u00e8re et promotion  de la m\u00e9diocratie, etc. &#8230;Il semble qu&#8217;il y&#8230;<\/em> ait une l&#8217;incapacit\u00e9 de comprendre que lorsque le censeur officiel  cesse d&#8217;exister il y a toujours la censure de l&#8217;argent et de ceux qui le  poss\u00e8dent,  et c&#8217;est aussi, par le biais des jeux boursiers, la porte  ouverte aux pressions de puissances \u00e9tatiques ou financi\u00e8res \u00e9trang\u00e8res.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><em>Fatalite<\/em>: nimeni nu acorda nicio sansa unui exercitiu liber al presei. Poate CRP si CTP? Clubul Roman de presa a reactionat la stenograme cu un comunicat semnta de Cristian Tudor Popescu, presedintele clubului:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #808080\"><em>Stenogramele V\u00e2ntu sunt st\u00e2njenitoare pentru orice jurnalist sau om de pres\u0103 care se lupt\u0103 s\u0103 \u00ee\u015fi fac\u0103 meseria profesionist \u015fi onorabil. Din p\u0103cate, demonstreaz\u0103 c\u0103 sunt printre ai no\u015ftri persoane care care accept\u0103 \u015fi particip\u0103 la un r\u0103u f\u0103cut cu m\u00e2n\u0103 proprie. Se pare c\u0103 nu este \u00eendeajuns ca ei s\u0103 fie sanc\u0163iona\u0163i prin recomand\u0103ri, pentru c\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd bunul-sim\u0163 \u015fi trasul civilizat de m\u00e2nec\u0103 nu sunt suficiente \u00een aplicarea eticii profesionale, trebuie s\u0103 intervin\u0103 sanc\u0163iuni ferme.\u00a0 Consiliul de Onoare al Clubului va discuta despre consecin\u0163ele apari\u0163iei acestor stenograme \u015fi va decide asupra oportunit\u0103\u0163ii declar\u0103rii ca obligatorie a Recomand\u0103rii privind autoreglementarea rela\u0163iilor profesionale dintre patronii din mass-media, editori \u015fi jurnali\u015fti (adoptat\u0103 \u00een 2006 \u015fi modificat\u0103 \u00een 2007). Ca jurnalist \u015fi pre\u015fedinte al Clubului cred c\u0103 apari\u0163ia acestor stenograme nu face dec\u00e2t s\u0103 dea ap\u0103 la moar\u0103 celor care abia a\u015fteapt\u0103 s\u0103 ne pun\u0103 zgard\u0103 \u015fi care trop\u0103ie de fericire pe margine c\u00e2nd ne pot ar\u0103ta cu degetul. Le cer colegilor mei din mass-media s\u0103 fim con\u015ftien\u0163i \u015fi uni\u0163i \u00een ap\u0103rarea valorilor \u015fi eticii \u015fi \u00een a lua distan\u0163\u0103 ferm de cei care nu ne fac onoare \u015fi din cauza c\u0103rora statutul de jurnalist este pus la index.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Deci libertatea presei este undeva intre &#8222;apa de ploaie&#8221; si &#8222;apa la moara&#8221;. In discutia sus-amintita eu puneam problema mult mai practic:<\/p>\n<p><em><span style=\"color: #808080\"><strong>Nicu Ilie: <\/strong>[&#8230;] le probl\u00e8me est plus complexe. Ne suffit &#8230;pas de donner une loi que les propri\u00e9taires des m\u00e9dias ne les connais pas les employ\u00e9s, de ne pas leur parler et de ne pas imposer quoi que ce soit. Si la pression patronale n&#8217;existera, il sera alors la pression administrative ou la pression du departament comercial. Les journalistes, m\u00eame, dans de nombreux cas, ils vendent, a \u00abl&#8217;individu\u00bb des services au ses sujets. Nous vivons dans un vide moral et professionnel, pas un vid de r\u00e9glementation, et le patronat, peu importe comment il est odieux, n&#8217;est qu&#8217;une partie du probl\u00e8me.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>Asta este lumea in care &#8222;Citizen SOV&#8221;, plictisit de inginerii financiare, s-a decis sa se lanseze in &#8222;inginerii morale&#8221;. E o intreaga pleiada de asemenea oameni care cred ca daca pun mana pe un furtun pot sa spele creiere. Faptul ca gasesc lachei ieftini nu face decat, ca sa folosesc o expresie, sa le dea apa la moara.<\/p>\n<p>Ce e cu adevarat pervers in cazul lui Ovidiu Vantu este ca el a inceput prin a construi o organizatie in care cuvantul cheie era &#8222;deontologie&#8221;, si-a lansat cariera de patron de presa cu un interviu in care jura ca nu se va implica in constructul editorial de la Realitatea TV si a sfarsit prin a-si decima organizatia, cultivand obedienta, insulta si delictul de presa.<\/p>\n<p>Ce e de facut? In primul rand trebuie clarificat conceptul mult prea generic de &#8222;libertate de expresie&#8221;, asa cum e formulat in constitutie. Karnooh dadea exemple despre ce nu pot face jurnalistii nici prin alte parti ale lumii:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #808080\"><em>&#8222;Par exemple  \u00e9crivez un article contre l&#8217;industrie d&#8217;armement dans le Figaro qui  appartient \u00e0 Dassau et vous verrez la suite, ou un article contre la  politique isra\u00e9lienne dans les territoires occup\u00e9s dans Lib\u00e9ration qui  appartient \u00e0 Rothchild et vous verrez aussi la suite.&#8221;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>In sensul asta, libertatea de expresie\u00a0 ca Idee hegeliana nu este fezabila. Mi se pare de bun simt ca, de pilda, nu poti cere Antenei 1 sa realizeze anchete prin care sa fie incriminat trustul Intact, Dan Voiculescu sau Partidul Conservator. Nu le poti cere celor de la Adevarul sa organizeze o campanie de presa impotriva Rompetrol sau a lui Dinu Patriciu. Este vorba pur si simplu de conservare institutionala si nici macar nu ar fi sanatos pentru organizatiile in cauza sa se intample astfel. Astfel, expresia constitutionala trebuie vazuta ca o libertate, nu ca o obligativitate in exercitiu. Ea se manifesta prin aceea ca anchete despre dan Voiculescu sau Dinu Patriciu pot sa apara in publicatii concurente, pe bloguri, pe alte canale media. Asa vad eu chestiunea. Astept si alte pareri, astept o dezbatere care mi se pare necesara.<\/p>\n<p>Apoi sunt de asteptat organizatii profesionale puternice. De dorit ar fi ca acestea sa aiba un suport international prin care sa iasa de sub jurisdictia unor interese locale care (din anii lui Adrian Nastase incoace) au reusit in Romania sa se extinda asupra intregii mass media.<\/p>\n<p>Cel mai de dorit ar fi o implicare a statului ca in cazul Consiliului Superior al Magistraturii prin care sa se asigure, fara control, operationalitatea si functionarea unor asemenea organizatii profesionale non-sindicale. La urma urmelor, presa e a patra putere in stat&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Clubul Roman de Presa a ratat ocazia de a deveni un asemenea organism, intrand si el, uneori, in complicitati care l-au compromis. Problema cea mai mare a clubului a fost reprezentativitatea pe care si-a doit-o cu disperare si puterea mult prea mare acordata consiliului director.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Robert Turcescu posteaza pe blogul sau un fel de comentariu personal asupra stenogramelor Vantu. 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